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12:46 am: Just a quick update here (wow, has it really been that long?).  I'm now employed (have been for a month) during the summer at Intel Corp (yes, really!) as an intern.  It's pretty cool, I have to say.  *snip!* This part is hidden from anonymous users.  Please login to view it as a separate post! *snip*

But what inspired me to write isn't that.  It's music.  Ever heard of Vienna Teng?  Yes, if you thought her stuff was slow and mellow, you should hear Gregorian!  It makes her songs sound like DragonForce in comparison!  Is that good or bad?  Your call.  I like it, 'cause it's relaxing.  Don't known where to look?  YouTube is a good choice, but I recommend Seeqpod.  Enjoy!

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From:mewgirl
Date:July 3rd, 2008 01:44 am (UTC)
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From:jdstroy
Date:July 3rd, 2008 10:50 pm (UTC)
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Comment marked as spam. Good job spamming; keep up the good work. I appreciate it when my "friends" mass-post send me unrelated content on my journal. Not to mention, YSRMB has been dead to me for a long time now. After getting this, I'd be afraid that I'd get email spam telling me to "vote for this" or "get a free xbox 4 u" after I join.
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From:mewgirl
Date:July 4th, 2008 12:06 am (UTC)
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That's funny, no one else seem to think that. How the hell am I supposed to know if you personally would still have any interest in being on a message board with some of the people from YSRMB... don't you think that's the other half of the reason for my poll? Jesus...
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From:mewgirl
Date:July 4th, 2008 12:06 am (UTC)
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Oh yeah and as far as I know there is no mass-post option on LJ.
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From:jdstroy
Date:July 4th, 2008 03:15 am (UTC)
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Let's see...

1) I didn't visit the new board by Lisa. I haven't posted on any SR forums for a few years.
2) Does your reply have any relevance to my posted journal entry? I didn't think so. "Replica watches," "vote for my avatar ^_-;;," or "tell me what you think of this board," are all irrelevant to this entry.
3) Count the number of people that you posted the same comment to. Then we'll talk. At least put in the effort to make it seem like it's related.
4) Did everyone that you linked to the poll vote in your poll?
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From:mewgirl
Date:July 4th, 2008 03:48 am (UTC)
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-=Did everyone that you linked to the poll vote in your poll? =-

I posted it only today, and yeah pretty much it seems that way.

I did reply to one person I don't know's entry on which this comment happened to be. There was nothing relevant in your entry for me to comment on. You've also told me you don't want me commenting on your entries. However, comments such as "Hi how are you?" on people's latest LJ entry are quite common. If it weren't that way, I would have sent it in messages instead of comments, even though I doubt the PM feature of LJ is used very much.

Generally if you send someone an e-mail that says, "Make up to $500/week with this great new site," it is SPAM, however if you send that same message to someone you know who frequently signs up for such sites, regardless of whether or not they have asked you for the message, it is not SPAM.

Similarly, messages sent by board administartors to every single member of said board is also (usually) not SPAM. I suppose this comment would be most akin to that.

Half of the people I was able to track through LJ alone have not been to any YSRMB-related board in "over so many years". I didn't even go to any length of effort - I just clicked on people I who I already knew where there were through my FL or other groups and about 3 names from other people's FL that I thought might be someone. A YSRMB board has not EXISTED in "over so mnay years," with the exception of Lisa's one recent attempt which was only up for a few months due to her choice of a paid webhosting service. In some cases it means they have no interest, but in others, that's definitely not true! Ryan, for example, wasn't even at the original SRO, yet he was one of the most enthusiastic people. Since my message clearly says "YSRMB" in it, and *almost* everyone who gets it would recognize it as being related to that anyway due to my s/n, I thought it rather unnessecary to post a whole paragraph. Would've been redundant, too, since it's in the entry.
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From:jdstroy
Date:July 4th, 2008 04:59 am (UTC)
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jdstroy+0976151+86904+337272 jdstroy.no-ip.com

Let me start off by saying, that this is not an attack on you. I'm expressing my opinions about the nature of your comment in my blog. (Remember, this is my journal; I can say what I want, as long as it doesn't violate LJ's TOS. If I wanted to say anything that does violate LJ's TOS, I can always post it on another site.)

I posted it only today, and yeah pretty much it seems that way.

Bzzt. "Seems that way" doesn't mean "it is that way."

There was nothing relevant in your entry for me to comment on. You've also told me you don't want me commenting on your entries.

I think this one is self-evident, but in case it isn't: don't comment if you've nothing relevant to say. I didn't prohibit comments, but I also would like for the comments to be relevant. I only told you not to necropost on my journal in the past. Posting to something that's four years old about any past relationships or troubles... that's necroposting. Please, feel free to send it in a PM next time, and at least tell me what it's about in the subject. At least show me that you actually spent some time and effort indicating what you want from me. Or you could choose not to, and I'll chuck it in to the "spam" category. Email address can be obtained through a PM, or at the top of this comment; don't forget to change the space to an at (@) symbol. If all that's not clear enough, let me say it plain and simple here: Please don't necropost, and please don't post off-topic. That's how it works on a forum, and that's how it works here. Use the Nettiquette Guidelines. Don't post in ALL CAPS. It's equivalent to shouting. Avoid ambiguity, especially with sarcasm; it might be taken literally. There are no body-cues on the Internet. Not yet anyway.

...if you send that same message to someone you know who frequently signs up for such sites, regardless of whether or not they have asked you for the message, it is not SPAM...

"Frequently" is a very big stretch from the truth here. I'm rarely signed up for such things. Take a look at the last link posted. Yes, that one to "Spam in Blogs" on Wikipedia. If you want something more authoritative on what qualifies as spam, look at The Net Abuse FAQ. It doesn't need to be advertising, but it is any communication that is posted too many times. How many is too many? Well, let's see, there are certain ways that this communication could have been better handled. Here's a quick, flexible graphic/table/guideline that I made:

Deliver a message to One-to-One communication: email, private message, comment Put it your journal
One person yes probably not
Five people yes maybe
Ten people maybe probably
Half your Friends List no, unless it is private, confidential, or otherwise personalized yes
Entire Friends List no yes

Extrapolate as necessary. Use common sense.

(Message continued in reply to this thread, after graphic; LiveJournal's new-found lameness can be blamed for this. The edit, too, can be attributed to LJ's lame stylesheet, and also to my fumblefingers between "q" and "p" on HTML.)
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From:jdstroy
Date:July 4th, 2008 04:59 am (UTC)
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Similarly, messages sent by board administartors [sic]...

You're not LJ's administrator, nor are you LJ's board administrator. If you wanted to send it out as a YSRMB board admin, send it as a board admin from YSRMB. This is my journal, hosted on LJ. It'd go through LJ's administrators. I am not a member of your board, so you should not send me a message about it. Can LogMeIn Hamachi's forums send me a message about Semagic? Or FreeMind's forum send me a message, on behalf of Hamachi?

Since my message clearly says "YSRMB" in it, and *almost* everyone who gets[sic] it would recognize ...

It's a matter of courtesy. See RFC 1855: Netiquette Guidelines. For kicks, you can get a plain-text version from the IETF. Just as one does not simply walk in to Mordor, one does not simply blogspam. Notice that you said "almost anyone;" that leaves wiggle-room, and makes your last point fairly moot. But that's not the point; it is in no way related to my journal entry. Sure, might be related to YSRMB, but it's definitely not relevant to my journal. That's what makes it spam. (I'm sure you've heard it before, but the origin of the term "spam," by the way, comes from a Monty Python sketch. What does it sound like? Hormel actually produces Spam, the food, and has a minigame based upon Monty Python's Spamalot with the Spamalot chants/sound.)

Please. Use the Netiquette Guidelines. It'll help you, and it'll help your friends.

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From:mewgirl
Date:July 5th, 2008 10:26 am (UTC)
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Okay I'm not sure what you did there but the removal of the @ symbol actually turned into coding instead of a regular space if you hadn't noticed... is there something bad that I (or people in general) should know about the standard "screename~at~domain~dot~com"-type, uh, texts?

Obviously "seems that way" doesn't mean "is that way", but until you know for a fact that a person has both seen soemthing *and* not decided to put it on hold to respond to later, you cannot know whether or not they intend to respond - and LJ does not have a way to track whether or not somone has read (or at least opened the page to anyway) your post or comment. But the fact that you even asked that question indicates that you do to some degree realize that there actually is discretion and that just because you send the same message to many people doesn't ALWAYS make it SPAM. Facebook app invites, for example. When you add a new profile box to your Facebook account, it asks if you want to "invite" anyone else to use the same module, and stores all those invites in a special section. In most cases this is probably SPAM< however, some applications only send relevant messages, such as "Ginger has just added you as a top friend" by the Top Friends app (as they are termed) is actually ONLY sent to people you actually HAVE put on your Top list (unlike other apps which will have something similar as a standard mesage sent to anyone who was "invited"). (Separately), some people will select "all friends" and then send it just because the window comes up asking if you want to tell anybody, especially if the application encourages you to do so. However, some people, like me, will pick (a) specific person(s) to use that feature with because, for example, I honestly want to know if they have the same ideas about sex as me (for a sex quiz app). In that case it would be no different then sending them an e-mail, which you had typed yourself, saying, "Hey I found this quiz about prefrences during sex and it's not a stupid one, will you take the quiz too and send me your answers?". But of course to the reader it is often impossible to tell which are genuine interest and which are SPAM, especially since *most* are SPAM unless you have like 4 people on your list sometimes.

If I had your e-mail previously I could have done so, but LJ is an easy way to make sure you've reached as many *relevant* people as possible, because I think the one site that has the most members from there is LJ. Almost every single active member at the board while I was there actually had an LJ - and if they didn't, they eventually, like me, got one at least to comment with. But that's a good idea; I should probably go look up my address book just in case there's anyone on there that does not (seem to) have a Facebook, MySpace, or LJ. Or dA, too.

I never said you frequently sign up for such sites, I *highly* doubt that you have signed up for even the ones that actually do give money for free (surveys and stuff like that, or once I found one that gives $25 just for signing up with no other requirements in an effort to rival PayPal). I said if you send a message about that type of site to someone you know(,) who frequently signs up for such sites. You could replace that with a name, same way that "someone who used to frequent message boards" could be replaced with "jdstroy" in certian cases, even if I am talking to someone other then you and the person I'm talking to has never used a message board.

Your table isn't at all readable the way it showed up here, but I'm sure you are aware that it's not really nesecary...
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From:mewgirl
Date:July 5th, 2008 10:28 am (UTC)
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"Use common sense."

Right, like I said, the fact that you even asked how many people responded indicates that you are perfectly aware that common sense can, in fact, come into play... so to say in that case, "If you have a comment like this please send in private message in the future, I don't like *anything* not releavnt to my entry even if it is still relevant to me..." (especially since the medium we're using is a place where it's pretty standard to say unrelated things or have 20-comment long conversations, unlike say Xanga for example where both are considered very bad by most people who use it). But marking it as SPAM is harsh because it indicates to LJ - (irrelevant) advertising, account should be banned, etc.

Umm... by the way, what do you mean "newfound lameness"? LJ has had a character limit on comments since I first started using it...


I did not say that I was an admin anywhere, and I obviuosly have not made a message board yet or there would be no purpose in posting a poll to see whether or not I should make such a board. The main reason for the poll is that there are people who did not like me to a degree that they would not nessecerily join *just* because I was running it, but apparently there a quite a few people who are simply not interested anymore even though that is contrary to everything I have ever heard from almost anyone about it. I did not send, nor imply, that I could or should send anyone a message as an administrator of a board that I do not admin. As a matter of fact, I never said anything about *me* sending messages at all. I said a board admin, being entirely non-specific, sending messages to it's members, why, because the message they are sending is relevant to the board or it's usage. Even though I was not an admin of YSRMB (though, if I was, I still would not be capable of sending out such a message curently), I still have a message to send that is relevant to every single person who ever made more then 15 or so posts on YSRMB, and that means it is okay for me to contact all of those people. If you personally prefer it to be done through a specific method, or don't want to hear about YSRMB and/or it's members and/or revival board at all, you can say so, as you have done, but that does not mean I deserve to have my account banned for contacting you about it (unless of course I were to do so a second time).

I realize you never said my LJ account should be banned, but by reporting a comment as SPAM that's pretty much what you are doing, even though one report obviously won't get the account banned unless it's irrelevant and commercial.
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From:mewgirl
Date:July 5th, 2008 10:28 am (UTC)
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(Side topic) I generally respond to things as I read them, because I obviuosly cannot respond before reading/seeing it, and if you are going to read somebody's journal it is pretty much "rude" for-lack-of-a-better-word not to read the entire thing (unless of course it's a commmercial "blog" or only subscribed to for jokes or something) (either that or put the rest of it in your perpetual 'to-do' list and leave it there for 20 years :P). Yes it is possible not to comment on any entry that is no longer relevant, but (in part since) since most people would read the journal in order there's quite often no way to know whether or not they ever found out how to do that or got the money they needed or got another female's point of view on why their girlfriend acted the way she did, even if it's been 5 years since they asked/it happened. That doesn't mean people should comment on old posts on your journal, because you don't like it, but until someone is told that they don't have any way of knowing it. A lot of people like getting comments on their journal, and the first one I ever read belonged to Wind who ended up falling in love with me because I had read (and commented) on his journal, often about things from 2 years ago... that still affected him. Of course it was the IM convos not the blog that made us real friends but anyway. Also blogs and message boards are two different things, so some things may be different between them, but, contrary to popular belief among YSRMB memebrs at the time I was there, most message boards actually *don't* mind people making relevant responses to old topics. They are after all going to be in general philosophical topics, random discussion, video game techniques, memes, etc., and not anything that will really "expire" such as how you're mad at your girlfriend for not giving you a birthday present accidentally. And even so it ended up getting ridiculous over there when people started citing a MONTH as "too late" for a while.
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From:jdstroy
Date:July 5th, 2008 05:27 pm (UTC)
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removal of the @ symbol actually

Works fine for me. The reason that I use a special, per user, generated, email address is that I use it for spam filtering. It's easier to just block whichever alias that gets spammed, and then notify the user that it's associated with that my address has changed. It's way more effective than filtering. The plus signs, if you really can't get that to work as an email address, can be changed in to minus signs.

just because you send the same message to many people doesn't ALWAYS make it SPAM. Facebook app invites, for example

There's a damned good reason that FaceSpace makes it against their application policy to require people to invite friends to see content. The reason is that it's spam. To me, they're all spam. If I want the app, I'll add the app myself.

many *relevant* people

Apparently not relevant to me.

I said if you send a message...

Let's try that one again:

if you send that same message to someone you know who frequently signs up for such sites, regardless of whether or not they have asked you for the message, it is not SPAM

Feel free to interpret it how you want, I suppose. And that table looks fine to me, but if you want fancy borders and crap, have at it:

Deliver a message to One-to-One communication: email, private message, comment Put it your journal
One person yes probably not
Five people yes maybe
Ten people maybe probably
Half your Friends List no, unless it is private, confidential, or otherwise personalized yes
Entire Friends List no yes

"If you have a comment ... don't like *anything* not releavnt to my entry ..."

It's not relevant to me, and it's not relevant to my entry. Yes, let me say it very clearly here: please use the PM feature to start a new thread if it is not relevant to my journal entries. Post it in your own journal, and if I read it, that's where I'll find out about it.

...it's pretty standard to say unrelated things or have 20-comment ... But marking it as SPAM is harsh because it indicates to LJ - (irrelevant) advertising, account should be banned, etc.

There's a reason for that, too. It's not standard in my journal to have unrelated comments. They get screened and frozen. 20 comments long, now, that's a different story -- we have threaded discussions on LJ, which is why that happens. It's easier to track what the comments are directed towards. If you happened to get me to say something about YSRMB in my entries or comments, then it would be appropriate to post a poll, as long as it is relevant. (For example, right now, it'd be inappropriate to post a link to the poll, and only a link to the poll. If, on the other hand, you responded to the main point, and said, "By the way, I've a poll related to YSRMB here," that's different. As for newfound lameness, I didn't notice the character limit. I suppose it was larger, or maybe I never hit that limit.

I feel like you're trying to twist your words around again, just as when GoG confronted you last time. I'll unscreen your comment right now, so that we don't have ANY ambiguities at all. Your comment about "board administrators" speaks very clearly to me that you believe that a message sent by a board administrator is never spam, and it suggests that you believe you are a board administrator.

*unscreening comment from earlier* Note that I don't have permission to edit comments by other users; I can only delete comments from other users.

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From:jdstroy
Date:July 5th, 2008 05:49 pm (UTC)
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I realize you never said my LJ account should be banned, but by reporting a comment as SPAM that's pretty much what you are doing, even though one report obviously won't get the account banned unless it's irrelevant and commercial.


Go read it again. I didn't say that I reported you as a spammer, or that I reported your comment as spam. In fact, I don't see a button here on LJ that does that. I've just MARKED it as spam, for my own purposes. I never delete comments from others, as I see a journal as an append-only data store. The only time that I'll delete anything is if I posted something wrong, and nobody else has posted a comment to my comment yet. Deletion is my only choice for editing, as LJ doesn't support editing comments (for me, anyway).


I'll be quite frank here. I don't know what in the world you're trying to say in your last comment, your "side note." It made as much sense as the whole peanut butter/oil/"it" thing between you and GoG last time. (Fortunately, I wasn't directly involved. I would have been even more confused by the discussion.) But let me put it here in words again:


Don't necropost on my journal. Don't necropost in my forums. Don't post unrelated comments to my entries (exceptions are granted for people who actually talk to me on a regular basis). Don't post unrelated comments to threads. Any thread from 3 months ago is dead, unless otherwise linked from another, later entry. For the purpose of indicating explicitly what is "necropost" to those who cannot understand it, any entry is dead if it has not been commented on for three months; if it is linked to by another post that is newer, the date of the newer post shall be considered the date of the older post as well for necropost accounting purposes.


I think you mentioned a point (Did you? I can't tell. That last comment was mumbo-jumbo to me) that I'd like to emphasize: you don't communicate with me on a regular basis, as you did with Wind, through IM. Posting a request to visit a poll in someone's journal that you haven't talked to for a long time is just like posting a request to "vote for my picture as the best in this poll!" It's rude, in my opinion, to post these kinds of things. Think about it. Imagine how many of these "vote for me" comments linked to polls would be on LJ if this were the case. As for the idea that necroposting is "okay," it's not. I've given you the references above, especially Netiquette Guidelines/RFC 1855. The case has been around since the dawn of the web. If you want to start a necropost, it's better to start a new thread. In the case of LJ, it's better to start your own thread in your own journal, and hope that others read it. Yes, hope that others read it -- if I don't read it, I probably don't want to and don't care to. Let's face it, not many people read my journal, but I don't mind. It's not too interesting for everyone else, but I keep it to track important things for myself. Sure, comment if you've got something relevant to the entry; if not, don't bother, unless you know that I won't mind. (But you can't say that you know that I won't mind; only a few select folks can.)

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